Sarah Sherman understands that you can’t make ’em laugh every time, but that doesn’t make bombing any easier.

“I legit feel like I beefed that Matt Gaetz, bad,” she told Dana Carvey and David Spade on a recent episode of their Fly on the Wall podcast. Sherman appeared as the Republican congressman on a December episode of Saturday Night Live, during a sketch that revived Carvey’s beloved Church Lady character.

“No, no, Why would you think that?” Carvey asked, reassuring the comedian, “I was just sitting there thinking, ‘She’s being funny.” Spade, who was also invited onto “Church Lady Chat” as Hunter Biden, joined the consoling chorus, by mimicking the face Sherman made as Gaetz and telling her, “All you have to do is look at the camera like this.”

“I know, but then I look at the camera, and when I open my mouth, then it falls apart,” Sherman maintained.

Sherman joined the SNL cast in 2021 as a repertory player, alongside James Austin Johnson and Aristotle Athari, who left after a single season. She was quickly identified as a breakout star and was promoted two years later to featured player.

Formerly known for her visceral, psychedelic horror-comedy persona Sarah Squirm, Sherman has already been sought out for buzzy acting roles based on her SNL performance, including a hysterical guest role in Chucky season 3, and, unbelievably, an etiquette tutor for Rena Sofer’s Lois Cerullo on General Hospital.

“I met Sonny Corinthos,” Sherman said of the character played by soap vet Maurice Benard, “so I can die happy.”

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Carvey’s Church Lady, real name Enid Strict, made her first appearance during Carvey’s original tenure on SNL in 1986. Strict invites “celebrity guests,” often embroiled in public scandals at the time of their appearances, on her show “Church Chat” under the guise of free and friendly conversation. Nine times out of ten, she ends up ruthlessly upbraiding them, exposing their sins to the pearl-clutching public access viewers at home.

“I had not done that character in a while with guests,” Carvey told Spade and Sherman, revealing that SNL boss Lorne Michaels reprimanded him for not having his dialogue entirely memorized during rehearsal. “You’re bringing guests in and out, and then they’re switching your single shot in and out,” Carvey said, explaining how complex Church Lady sketches really are to execute.

Carvey has been a frequent guest on SNL‘s historic 50th season, reviving classic characters like the Church Lady and trying out impersonations of Joe Biden and Elon Musk.

You can watch the rest of Carvey and Spade’s interview with Sherman below.